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Phillip WinderAge: 65 years1839–1904

Name: Phillip Winder

Given names: Phillip

Surname: Winder

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Birth	between 1839 and 1840 Isfield, Sussex, England
Birth of a daughter #1	Alice Winder about 1874 (Age 35 years) St George in The East, Middlesex, England Shared note: Birth date and place from 1881 census data
Birth of a son #2	Mark Winder about 1877 (Age 38 years) Canning Town, Essex, England Shared note: Birth date and place from 1881 census data
Birth of a daughter #3	Annie Winder about 1881 (Age 42 years) Canning Town, Essex, England Shared note: Birth date and place from 1881 census data
Census	Charlotte Lovelock — View this family 1881 (Age 42 years) Lambeth, Surrey, England Note: 1 Milson Place, Lambeth, Surrey, England 1 Milson Place, Lambeth, Surrey, England RG11 0606 F141 P47 Philip WINDER;Head;42;Labourer;Sussex, England Charlotte WINDER;Wife;35;;West Grafton, Wilts Alice WINDER;Daur;7;;St Georges In The East Mark WINDER;Son;4;;Canning Town, W Ham Annie WINDER;Daur;2mos;;Canning Town W Ham Ann BREWER;Visitor;30;;West Grafton, Wilts
Birth of a son #4	Henry George Winder between April 1884 and June 1884 (Age 45 years) Battersea, London, England
Birth of a son #5	Francis Winder between October 1886 and December 1886 (Age 47 years) Battersea, Surrey, England
Census	Charlotte Lovelock — View this family 1891 (Age 52 years) Note: 7 Victoria Place, Battersea, London, England 7 Victoria Place, Battersea, London, England RG12 426 F109 P39 Phillip Winder;Head;53;General Labourer;Isfield, Sussex Charlotte Winder;Wife;45;;Grafton, Wilts Mark Winder;Son;15;Apprentice;Canning Town, Essex Annie Winder;Daur;10;;Canning Town, Essex George Winder;Son;6;;Battersea, Surrey Frank Winder;Son;4;;Battersea, Surrey Wm (sic) Voller;Lodger;50;General Labourer;Bramdean, Hants Charles Lovelock;Lodger;22;General Labourer;Grafton, Wilts
Religious marriage	Charlotte Lovelock — View this family 6 April 1896 (Age 57 years) St Helen, Kensington, London, England Shared note: Graham Lovelock email 6 Nov 2004 I suspect that Charlotte and Philip married in the Lambeth RD in th… Graham Lovelock email 6 Nov 2004 I suspect that Charlotte and Philip married in the Lambeth RD in the March quarter of 1874. Certainly a Charlotte did, as you will find on FreeBMD, but for once there are only three names recorded for the Register page. The 1874 images are not available yet, so can't get any further with that. Graham Lovelock note 13 May 2009: 1874 data now available shows that the Lambeth marriage was not of Charlotte Lovelock and Philip Winder. Robert Sterry email message 7 Nov 2004 I decided to also check FreeBMD for that Lovelock-Winder marriage and came across this unexpected find: Marriages Jun 1896 Curtis Alfred Kensington 1a 210Lovelock Lovelock Charlotte Kensington 1a 210 Treble Kate Kensington 1a 210 Winder Philip Kensington 1a 210 What do you make of that? I wondered if in fact they had married previously in perhaps some non-conformist church and then later married in the C of E for some reason. I checked Ancestral Trails for any such precedents at this time. But the requirement for Catholics and Protestant dissenters to be married in the Anglican church (as well as their own if they wished to be legal) ended in 1837. If they weren't legally married, this might of course affect inheritance rights. Perhaps they really didn't marry until 1896? Graham L on 23 April 2014: Marriage Register imagery at Ancestry confirms the 1896 marriage, but provides no explanation for why they married then.
Census	1901 (Age 62 years) Note: 42 Havelock Terrace, Battersea, London, England 42 Havelock Terrace, Battersea, London, England RG13 443 F163 P12 Phillip Winder;Head;63;General Labourer;Isfield, Sussex Charlotte Winder;Wife;54;;West Grafton, Wilts Mark Winder;Son;24;Silk Weaver;Canning Town, Essex Annie Winder;Daur;20;;Canning Town, Essex Francis Winder;Son;14;;Battersea, Surrey Arthur J Winder;Gd son;1;;Battersea, Surrey Henry J Brewer;Lodger;28;General Labourer;Grafton, Wilts George Stacey;Lodger;36;General Labourer;Woodrow, Bucks
Death	between April 1904 and June 1904 (Age 65 years)

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himself	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Charlotte Lovelock Alice Winder Mark Winder Annie Winder Henry George Winder Francis Winder Phillip Winder Birth: between 1839 and 1840 — Isfield, Sussex, England Death: between April 1904 and June 1904
wife	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Phillip Winder Alice Winder Mark Winder Annie Winder Henry George Winder Francis Winder Family with spouse Unknown Unknown Sarah Ann Lovelock Charlotte Lovelock Birth: about 1846 31 17 — West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Death: between April 1920 and June 1920 — Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
	Marriage: 6 April 1896 — St Helen, Kensington, London, England
-21 years daughter	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Alice Winder Birth: about 1874 35 28 — St George in The East, Middlesex, England Death: between January 1944 and March 1944
4 years son	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Mark Winder Birth: about 1877 38 31 — Canning Town, Essex, England Death: between October 1937 and December 1937
5 years daughter	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Annie Winder Birth: about 1881 42 35 — Canning Town, Essex, England Death:
4 years son	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Rosa Maud Mary Jessett Vera Alice Winder Muriel Rosa Winder Stanley George Winder Henry George Winder Birth: between April 1884 and June 1884 45 38 — Battersea, London, England Death: between July 1949 and September 1949
3 years son	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Francis Winder Birth: between October 1886 and December 1886 47 40 — Battersea, Surrey, England Death: between July 1943 and September 1943

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wife’s husband	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Charlotte Lovelock Sarah Ann Lovelock Unknown Unknown Birth: Death:
wife	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Phillip Winder Alice Winder Mark Winder Annie Winder Henry George Winder Francis Winder Family with spouse Unknown Unknown Sarah Ann Lovelock Charlotte Lovelock Birth: about 1846 31 17 — West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Death: between April 1920 and June 1920 — Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
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step-daughter	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse William Hunt Ivy Serena Beatrice Hunt Leslie Ivor Philip Hunt Sarah Ann Lovelock Birth: between January 1865 and March 1865 19 — West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Death:

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Census	1 Milson Place, Lambeth, Surrey, England RG11 0606 F141 P47 Philip WINDER;Head;42;Labourer;Sussex, England Charlotte WINDER;Wife;35;;West Grafton, Wilts Alice WINDER;Daur;7;;St Georges In The East Mark WINDER;Son;4;;Canning Town, W Ham Annie WINDER;Daur;2mos;;Canning Town W Ham Ann BREWER;Visitor;30;;West Grafton, Wilts
Census	7 Victoria Place, Battersea, London, England RG12 426 F109 P39 Phillip Winder;Head;53;General Labourer;Isfield, Sussex Charlotte Winder;Wife;45;;Grafton, Wilts Mark Winder;Son;15;Apprentice;Canning Town, Essex Annie Winder;Daur;10;;Canning Town, Essex George Winder;Son;6;;Battersea, Surrey Frank Winder;Son;4;;Battersea, Surrey Wm (sic) Voller;Lodger;50;General Labourer;Bramdean, Hants Charles Lovelock;Lodger;22;General Labourer;Grafton, Wilts
Marriage View	Graham Lovelock email 6 Nov 2004 I suspect that Charlotte and Philip married in the Lambeth RD in the March quarter of 1874. Certainly a Charlotte did, as you will find on FreeBMD, but for once there are only three names recorded for the Register page. The 1874 images are not available yet, so can't get any further with that. Graham Lovelock note 13 May 2009: 1874 data now available shows that the Lambeth marriage was not of Charlotte Lovelock and Philip Winder. Robert Sterry email message 7 Nov 2004 I decided to also check FreeBMD for that Lovelock-Winder marriage and came across this unexpected find: Marriages Jun 1896 Curtis Alfred Kensington 1a 210Lovelock Lovelock Charlotte Kensington 1a 210 Treble Kate Kensington 1a 210 Winder Philip Kensington 1a 210 What do you make of that? I wondered if in fact they had married previously in perhaps some non-conformist church and then later married in the C of E for some reason. I checked Ancestral Trails for any such precedents at this time. But the requirement for Catholics and Protestant dissenters to be married in the Anglican church (as well as their own if they wished to be legal) ended in 1837. If they weren't legally married, this might of course affect inheritance rights. Perhaps they really didn't marry until 1896? Graham L on 23 April 2014: Marriage Register imagery at Ancestry confirms the 1896 marriage, but provides no explanation for why they married then.
Census	42 Havelock Terrace, Battersea, London, England RG13 443 F163 P12 Phillip Winder;Head;63;General Labourer;Isfield, Sussex Charlotte Winder;Wife;54;;West Grafton, Wilts Mark Winder;Son;24;Silk Weaver;Canning Town, Essex Annie Winder;Daur;20;;Canning Town, Essex Francis Winder;Son;14;;Battersea, Surrey Arthur J Winder;Gd son;1;;Battersea, Surrey Henry J Brewer;Lodger;28;General Labourer;Grafton, Wilts George Stacey;Lodger;36;General Labourer;Woodrow, Bucks
Shared note	From Jean Gilmore 12 Nov 2002: This afternoon I have found Eli Partridge and Phillip Winder the husbands of Jane and Charlotte Lovelock West Grafton Wiltshire on the electoral roll of 1896. They were living next door to each other Eli at 9 Victoria Place Battersea London and Phillip was living at 10 Victoria Place Unfortunately no other names available Jean Gilmore philip winder and Charlotte Lovelock born 1846 west grafton are to be found at the following places. 1885 7 Victoria place Battersea 1895 -1899 10 Victoria Place Battersea 1901 -1903 42 Havelock terrace 1904-1906 25 Henley street Battersea 1905 Philip has gone from the electoral roll but 1906 Charlotte, Mark and GEORGE? are listed but are allgone the following year Jean Gilmore From Jean Gilmore 12 Nov 2002: I found four children on 1891 maybe Alice was away from home. They were Mark Annie George and Frank. What I would like to know is what took them all to Battersea? Thomas,Charlotte , Jane and Charles were all living very close to each other. Jane and Charlotte were next door to each other. On the death of her husband Charlotte moved to Henley Street Battersea and her children were living there for sometime.