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John Alfred G S LovelockAge: 93 years18781972

Name
John Alfred G S Lovelock
Given names
John Alfred G S
Surname
Lovelock
Birth 10 November 1878 25 24
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann; Daur' in 1881.
Note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
Birth of a brotherCharles William Lovelock
5 January 1881 (Age 2 years)
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1881 in Farnham RD, ref 2a 106
Text:

Charles William Lovelock

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Located RL c. 28/2/07.
Text:

Farnham RD, ref 2a 106

Note: Birth and baptism details contained in 'British Armed Forces, Roman Catholic Registers' data at Findmypast website.
Census 1881 (Age 2 years)
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.
Note: Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at the Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (s…
Christening of a brotherCharles William Lovelock
6 February 1881 (Age 2 years)
Note: Birth and baptism details contained in 'British Armed Forces, Roman Catholic Registers' data at Findmypast website.
Death of a paternal grandfatherJohn Lovelock
about December 1882 (Age 4 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Death in 4Q 1882 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 67
Quality of data: primary evidence
Death of a paternal grandmotherSarah Franklin
between January 1886 and March 1886 (Age 7 years)

Text:

Winchester RD, ref 2c 75 (age 69)

Birth of a sisterMary Amoi Catherine Eliza Lovelock
1 January 1891 (Age 12 years)
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1891 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 44
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
Census 1891 (Age 12 years)
Citation details: email message 12-Feb-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
Source: Nigel Gerdes
Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Note: RL 28/6/07:
MarriageFlorence ButlerView this family
between October 1899 and December 1899 (Age 20 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Marriage in 4Q 1899 in Fulham RD, ref 1a 499
Text:

Names on page: Anstead, Henry George Butler, Florence Clark, Elizabeth Lovelock, John Alfred G S

Quality of data: primary evidence
Birth of a son
#1
Richard John Charles Ernest Lovelock
1 March 1901 (Age 22 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1901 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 60
Text:

LOVELOCK, Richard John C E

Quality of data: primary evidence
CensusFlorence ButlerView this family
1901 (Age 22 years)

Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Note: 14 Loane Road, Sholing, Hampshire, England
Birth of a son
#2
Charles James Lovelock
1 April 1906 (Age 27 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Text:

South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 49

Shared note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
Census 1911 (Age 32 years)

Note: Heswall Nautical School, Heswall cum Oldfield, Cheshire, England
Census 1921 (Age 42 years)

Note: 2 Hope Cottage, Wellesley Avenue, Hammersmith, Hammersmith RD, Middlesex
Marriage of a childRichard John Charles Ernest LovelockIvy Beryl MorrisView this family
between April 1922 and June 1922 (Age 43 years)

Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Text:

Hammersmith RD, ref 1a 618

Shared note: Ivy Beryl married Richard under her previously-married name of Mugridge.
Death of a wifeFlorence Butler
between January 1947 and March 1947 (Age 68 years)

Text:

Hammersmith RD, ref 5c 1165 (age 76)

Death of a brotherCharles William Lovelock
1970 (Age 91 years)
Text:

1970 LOVELOCK Charles William 424 Death [age] 89 Dunedin

Death of a sonRichard John Charles Ernest Lovelock
between July 1971 and September 1971 (Age 92 years)

Text:

Southampton RD, ref 6b 1567

Death of a sisterMary Amoi Catherine Eliza Lovelock
between July 1971 and September 1971 (Age 92 years)

Text:

Southampton RD, ref 6b 1509

Death between April 1972 and June 1972 (Age 93 years)

Text:

Southampton RD, ref 6b 1644 (registered as John Alfred S G Lovelock)

Family with parents - View this family
father
mother
Marriage:
himself
2 years
younger brother
10 years
younger sister
Family with Florence Butler - View this family
himself
wife
Marriage: between October 1899 and December 1899Fulham RD, Fulham, London, England
17 months
son
5 years
son

BirthGraham Lovelock
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
BirthFragment 6 - Collected Lovelock Fragments
BirthGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
BirthRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Note: In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann; Daur' in 1881.
Birth1881 British Census
Birth1891 British Census
Birth1901 British Census
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
Census1881 British Census
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.
Census1891 British Census
CensusGraham Lovelock
Citation details: email message 12-Feb-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
CensusNigel Gerdes
Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
MarriageGRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Marriage in 4Q 1899 in Fulham RD, ref 1a 499
Text:

Names on page: Anstead, Henry George Butler, Florence Clark, Elizabeth Lovelock, John Alfred G S

Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
DeathGRO Index of Deaths
Text:

Southampton RD, ref 6b 1644 (registered as John Alfred S G Lovelock)

SourceRobin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07
Publication: Updated gedcom file provided by Robin Lovelock 24 Aug 2007. Includes contributions from Graham Lovelock
SourceGraham Lovelock
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
SourceOriginating email discussion
SourceGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
SourceRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Note: In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann'; 'Daur' in 1881 (see notes to 1881 and 1891 census extracts).
Birth

Fragment 6, Early Collected Lovelock Fragments, has John born Aldershot 1878.

RL 17/6/06: The series of census entries we have state his place of birth as Malta and no putative GRO entry can be found (using BMDIndex) 1876/80 - except the unlikely John L births registered in Pancras RD 3Q 1876, ref 1b 99, and Edmonton RD 3Q 1879, ref 3a 245. Age cited in 1901 is discrepant.

See also extensive notes to 1881 census entry. Date of birth included in death registration entry.

Birth

Date of birth included in death registration entry.

Birth

In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann; Daur' in 1881.

Census

Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at the Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (see individual entry for Frederick Lovelock).

Aldershot, Hampshire North Lane Green Gr Shop RG11 782 F101 P21

Mary Ann Russell;Other (Head);W;70;Green Grocer;Wilts, Marlborough Mary Ann Lovelock;Other (Head);M;27;Soldiers wife;Gibraltar John Lovelock;Daur [sic];;2;;Malta Charles Lovelock;Son;;3m;;Hants, Aldershot Mary E Graham;Wife;M;18;Soldier wife;Ireland, .??... Sarah Page;Wife (Head);M;29;Soldier wife;Essex, Marlow Florance [sic] E Page;Daur;;1;Hants, Aldershot

RL 27/6/07: The above is a <u>revised transcription, following extensive discussion</u> with Graham 20/25 Feb 2007 of aspects of the image and LDS/Ancestry transcriptions.

(i) James's rendering in the 5/3/07 gedcom - also currently [22/6/07] appearing same data/slightly different layout) in the Lovelock website collection of Hampshire 1881 Lovelock entries - was as follows:

Dwelling: North Lane Green Gr Shop Census Place: Aldershot, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341184 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0782 Folio 101 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary Ann LOVELOCK M 27 F Gibraltar Rel: Other (Head) Occ: Soldiers Wife Ann LOVELOCK 2 F ... Rel: Daur Charles LOVELOCK 3 m M Aldershot, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Mary H. GRAHAM M 18 F ..., Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Soldier Wife

(ii) Graham's previous transcription in the collection compiled to support this tree:

North Lane Green Gr Shop, Aldershot, Hants RG11 782 F101 P21 Mary Ann Russell W (sic) 70 Green Grocer Marlborough, Wilts Mary Ann Lovelock Head 27 Soldiers wife Gibraltar John Lovelock Daur(sic) 2 Malta Charles Lovelock Son 3m Aldershot, Hants Mary E Graham Wife 18 Soldiers wife Ireland ...(?) Sarah Page Wife 29 Soldiers wife Marlow, Essex Florance E Page Daur 1 Aldershot, Hants

(iii) Additional material extracted by RL from the LDS CD-ROM, where 3 'separate' 'households'(?) are shown, each with the same address and other reference details cited:

[preceding the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham] Mary Ann RUSSELL W 70 F Marlborough, Wiltshire, England Rel: Other (Head) Occ: Green Grocer

....... 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham as per James's transcription above ........

[following the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham] Sarah PAGE M 29 F Marlow, Essex, England Rel: Wife (Head) Occ: Soldier Wife Florence E. PAGE 1 F Aldershot, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur

<u>Discussion</u>: G 20/2: "<b>The 2 year old child may well have been Ann, and is certainly indicated as 'Daur'. However, I am adamant that the Enumerator has written 'John' as the name.</b> There are, of course, two examples of 'Ann' written immediately above it, and whilst they are identical in form to each other (one being slightly smaller) they are nothing like the child's name. I have included the details of everyone who was living in the Greengrocer's shop, as indicated by 'do' entries in the address column, whilst diagonal strokes from the Enumerator to the left of the names indicate members of 4 'families' as you would expect from the surnames. The last child recorded might have had the name Florence, but the Enumerator has written it as Florance. HOWEVER, a further lengthy pondering over the script does lead to one change. The Enumerator has not recorded anybody as being the Head of the household. What I and the LDS transcribers took to be 'Head' against Mary Ann Lovelock is actually 'Mar', although in that column has been added a 'W' to both Mary Ann entries. In the 'Relation to Head of Family' column there is against both Mary Anns a letter which might be a 'U' a 'W' or an 'M'. Since Mary Ann Lovelock, who's the only adult here we're really interested in, is clearly listed as a Soldier's Wife the two W's, or even the one if the other is an M, make no sense at all."

R 21/2: "(i) <b>Re. John/Ann, Daur etc: the 1901 Sholing entry would suggest that 'Daur' rather than 'John' is the more likely error in the 1881 would it not?</b> (I mean that to be a judgement on balance with regard to other data we have, rather than simply a 'preferential' reading of one entry vs another!) Ages given seem to fit rather well as between the two years - or am I missing something? I note Malta/Gibraltar variation re. Mary Ann's birthplace and that the H-to-H tree 'as is' has the latter. ........... (ii) James ...... seems: (a) to've taken the LDS transcription pretty much at face value - especially as regards 3 rather than 4 households/families, although that could be a slip on the transcriber's part given your observation re. the 'diagonal strokes'; (b) only to've included the Lovelock household (taken, rightly or wrongly, to include Mary E (or H!) Graham). (<b>Malta as Ann/John's birthplace is also missing from the LDS version.</b>) (iii) I think the Enumerator may've been trying to make sense of a complicated multi-family/multi-'household' (as defined for enumeration purposes) set-up, and to render sensibly and at the same time marital status, <i>de facto</i> HofH status (with absentee soldier husbands/fathers), and 'real' HofH (i.e. Head of Family as and when present) status. In that context and with other possible 'issues' involved, s/he understandably perhaps used 'W' for Wife in places as well as (maybe) for Widow - which (lacking other data that I'm aware of) Mary Ann Russell and even Mary E (or H) Graham could have been." <i>{This interpretation implicitly/broadly agreed by GL.} </i> R 23/2: "...... could you kindly recheck the image you have access to re. 'Mary E'/'Mary H' ........" G 23/2: "As it happens there are three other capital aitches on the page, which are differently formed from the letter in Mary Graham's name. There are also seven capital eees which are similar to, but different to that mysterious letter. However, there are more similarities in the letter to one of the eees, in the form of two loops, that this possibly over-rides the existence of a third loop, and an additional vertical stroke to the left which is what led me to think it was an aitch. Suggest in summary that we go with an eeee."

Census

RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.

Census

RL 28/6/07: Added the following entry here as confirmation because of discussion (qv) of 1881 entry (John/Ann/Daur etc.) - see note in parents' data re. the 1881.

Hound, Hampshire 19 School Road RG12 923 F79 P21

Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;37;Coal Porter;Hants, Winchester Mary Ann Lovelock;Wife;M;36;Shirt Maker;Malta John A G S Lovelock;Son;Scholar;12;;Malta Charles Lovelock;Son;;9;Scholar;Hants, Aldershot Mary Ann E Lovelock;Daur;;3m;;Hants, Sholing

See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to this entry and to the 1901 for John (by then married) and his family, as well as to the 1901 for his parents Frederick and Mary Ann. Agreed transcription above.

Census

RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.

Census

RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.

Census

RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.

Census

14 Loane Road, Sholing, Hampshire, England RG13 1063 F102 P31

John Lovelock;Head;M;24;Marine Merchant Service;Malta (British Subject) Florence Lovelock;Wife;M;25;;London, Hammersmith Richard Lovelock;Son;;1m;;Hants, Sholing Minnie Butler;Sist in law;;26;Housemaid domestic;London, Fulham

RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to this entry and to the 1891 and 1901 for John's parents Frederick and Mary Ann. Agreed transcription above.

Previous entry shown - from Nigel Gerdes 1-Dec-05:

14 Loane Rd, Sholing John Lovelock born ca 1877 Malta (British subject), Mariner Merchant Services, Wife Florence born ca 1876 Hammersmith, London, son Richard Lovelock age 1 month born Sholing. Also with them (how helpful!) Sister in Law - Minnie Batter ca b 1875 Fulham (Single).

Census

RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.

Census

Heswall Nautical School, Heswall cum Oldfield, Cheshire, England RG14 PN21912 RD451 SD1 ED12 SN9999

Resident in the School:

John A G S Lovelock;Head;32;Nautical Instructor Reformatory;Malta, British by parentage Florence Lovelock;Wife, married 11 years;34;;Fulham, London Richard Lovelock;Son;7;;Southampton, Hants Charles Lovelock;Son;5;;Southampton, Hants

Census

2 Hope Cottage, Wellesley Avenue, Hammersmith, Hammersmith RD, Middlesex

John Lovelock;42y 6m;Malta, Malta (sic) Florence Lovelock;49y 8m;Hammersmith, London Richard Lovelock;20y 4m;Sholing, Hampshire Charles Lovelock;15y 3m;Sholing, Hampshire

Shared note

RL 28/6/07: Apparently enumerated as 'Ann'; 'Daur' in 1881 ; see notes to 1881 and 1891 census extracts.

Source

In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann'; 'Daur' in 1881 (see notes to 1881 and 1891 census extracts).