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Sarah Susan PhillisAge: 86 years18411927

Name
Sarah Susan Phillis
Given names
Sarah Susan
Surname
Phillis
Birth about 1841 27 29
Note: See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 and 15/7.
Census 1841

Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: North Waltham, Hampshire, England
MarriageJohn Thomas LovelockView this family
25 December 1865 (Age 24 years)
Citation details: provided by Robin Lovelock, from Hampshire Record Office
Text:

1865 Dec 25 Marriage (by Banns) John Thomas Lovelock, 21, Bachelor, Grocer, (Residence at time of Marriage) Micheldever, (Father) John Lovelock, Miller [? - unclear], Susan Phillis, 24, Spinster, Servant, (Residence at time of Marriage) Micheldever, (Father) George Phillis, Shoemaker. Both signed. Witnesses William Tucker, Emma Phillis

Quality of data: primary evidence
Source: IGI - LDS
Text:

1865 Dec 25 John Thomas Lovelock & Susan Phillis

Citation details: Marriage in Winchester RD in 4Q 1865, ref 2c 188
Text:

Phillis, Susan Lovelock, John Thos [separate page/image of course - BMDIndex]

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL: Also on FreeBMD. A pretty swift registration, given the holiday period(!)
Birth of a son
#1
George John Lovelock
about March 1866 (Age 25 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1866 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 106
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
Christening of a sonGeorge John Lovelock
13 May 1866 (Age 25 years)
Birth of a son
#2
Walter John Lovelock
about March 1868 (Age 27 years)
Note: See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1868 in Stockbridge RD, ref 2c 86
Text:

Lovelock, John Thomas [sic]

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 20/6/07: See note to birth entry for discussion of names as recorded.
Christening of a sonWalter John Lovelock
8 March 1868 (Age 27 years)
Text:

Despite the GRO record of the birth being in the name of John Thomas the baptism record is in the name of Walter Thomas.

Birth of a son
#3
William Edward Lovelock
between November 1870 and December 1870 (Age 29 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Birth in 4Q 1870 in Andover RD, ref 2c 194
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
Christening of a sonWilliam Edward Lovelock
18 December 1870 (Age 29 years)
CensusJohn Thomas LovelockView this family
1871 (Age 30 years)

Citation details: transcript provided by Graham Lovelock 26-Jan-06 and by Robin Lovelock 14-Jul-06 and 13-Feb-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Note: Southampton Road, Romsey (Romsey Extra), Hampshire, England
Birth of a daughter
#4
Sarah Kate Lovelock
16 May 1873 (Age 32 years)
Note: See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
Citation details: Birth in Romsey RD in 2Q 1873, ref 2c 70
Text:

Lovelock, Sarah Kate

Quality of data: primary evidence
Christening of a daughterSarah Kate Lovelock
10 August 1873 (Age 32 years)
Death of a husbandJohn Thomas Lovelock
about December 1873 (Age 32 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Death in 4Q 1873 in Whitchurch (Hants) RD, ref 2c 126
Text:

Lovelock, John (29)

Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: email message 14-Jul-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageWilliam ButlerView this family
between January 1876 and March 1876 (Age 35 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Marriage in Winchester RD in 1Q 1876, ref 2c 135
Text:

Butler William Lovelock Sarah Susan I

Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: Marriage in Winchester RD in 1Q 1876, ref 2c 135
Text:

Butler, William Winchester 2c 135 Lovelock, Sarah Susan I Winchester 2c 135

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL: Found Sarah L, with a fuzzy second name (which could well be 'Susan') and what looks like an add…
Birth of a daughter
#5
Rose Emma Butler
between October 1877 and December 1877 (Age 36 years)
Citation details: Birth in 4Q 1877 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 95
Text:

Butler, Rose Emma

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Added RL 25/6/07
Birth of a daughter
#6
Elizabeth Eliza Butler
between July 1880 and September 1880 (Age 39 years)
Citation details: Birth in 3Q 1880 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
Text:

Butler, Elizabeth Eliza

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Added RL 25/6/07
CensusWilliam ButlerView this family
1881 (Age 40 years)

Citation details: provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of this entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Note: Annel Lane, Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Birth of a son
#7
Arthur Charles Butler
between January 1884 and March 1884 (Age 43 years)
Text:

Winchester RD, ref 2c 103

Marriage of a childGeorge John LovelockLouisa TongsView this family
between 1881 and 1891 (Age 40 years)

Note: Louisa was still unmarried in 1881, employed as a Domestic Nurse for William Green, the Rector of Avington.
Marriage of a childWalter John LovelockKatharina KonradtView this family
24 February 1889 (Age 48 years)
Note: GL/RL email exchange 1/4 Feb 2007.
Note: See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Marriage in Paddington RD in 1Q 1889, ref 1a 48
Text:

Lovelock, Walter Thomas Konradt, Katherina

Quality of data: primary evidence
Death of a fatherGeorge Phillis
about March 1892 (Age 51 years)
Citation details: Death in 1Q 1892 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
Text:

Phillis, George (77)

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Died in same quarter as wife Eliza; we have no info. re. order of deaths.
Death of a motherEliza Pearce
about March 1892 (Age 51 years)
Citation details: Death in 1Q 1892 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
Text:

Phillis, Eliza (78)

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Died in same quarter as husband George; we have no info. re. order of deaths.
Marriage of a childCharles AldermanSarah Kate LovelockView this family
22 October 1892 (Age 51 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Text:

Winchester RD, ref 2c 206

Census 1901 (Age 60 years)

Note: 36 Northbrook, Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Death of a daughterRose Emma Butler
between July 1909 and September 1909 (Age 68 years)

Text:

Winchester RD, ref 2c 61 (age 31) (registered in married name of Avery)

Census 1911 (Age 70 years)

Note: Northbrook, Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Death between January 1927 and March 1927 (Age 86 years)

Text:

Bradfield RD, ref 2c 555 (age 86) (registered as Susan Butler)

Family with parents - View this family
father
George Phillis
Birth: between 1814 and 1815North Waltham, Hampshire, England
Death: about March 1892Winchester RD, Winchester, Hampshire, England
mother
Marriage: 2 September 1839
2 years
herself
Family with John Thomas Lovelock - View this family
husband
herself
Marriage: 25 December 1865Micheldever, Hampshire, England
3 months
son
2 years
son
3 years
son
William Edward Lovelock
Birth: between November 1870 and December 1870 26 29Barton Stacey, Hampshire, England
Death:
3 years
daughter
Family with William Butler - View this family
husband
herself
Marriage: between January 1876 and March 1876Winchester RD, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 years
daughter
Rose Emma Butler
Birth: between October 1877 and December 1877 42 36Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Death: between July 1909 and September 1909
3 years
daughter
Elizabeth Eliza Butler
Birth: between July 1880 and September 1880 45 39Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Death:
4 years
son
Arthur Charles Butler
Birth: between January 1884 and March 1884 49 43Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Death: between April 1958 and June 1958

BirthGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
BirthRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Note: See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 and 15/7.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageMicheldever, Hampshire, Parish Register
Citation details: provided by Robin Lovelock, from Hampshire Record Office
Text:

1865 Dec 25 Marriage (by Banns) John Thomas Lovelock, 21, Bachelor, Grocer, (Residence at time of Marriage) Micheldever, (Father) John Lovelock, Miller [? - unclear], Susan Phillis, 24, Spinster, Servant, (Residence at time of Marriage) Micheldever, (Father) George Phillis, Shoemaker. Both signed. Witnesses William Tucker, Emma Phillis

Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageIGI - LDS
Text:

1865 Dec 25 John Thomas Lovelock & Susan Phillis

MarriageGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
MarriageBMDIndex (via www.thegenealogist.co.uk)
Citation details: Marriage in Winchester RD in 4Q 1865, ref 2c 188
Text:

Phillis, Susan Lovelock, John Thos [separate page/image of course - BMDIndex]

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL: Also on FreeBMD. A pretty swift registration, given the holiday period(!)
Census1871 British Census
Citation details: transcript provided by Graham Lovelock 26-Jan-06 and by Robin Lovelock 14-Jul-06 and 13-Feb-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
MarriageGRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Marriage in Winchester RD in 1Q 1876, ref 2c 135
Text:

Butler William Lovelock Sarah Susan I

Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageBMDIndex (via www.thegenealogist.co.uk)
Citation details: Marriage in Winchester RD in 1Q 1876, ref 2c 135
Text:

Butler, William Winchester 2c 135 Lovelock, Sarah Susan I Winchester 2c 135

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL: Found Sarah L, with a fuzzy second name (which could well be 'Susan') and what looks like an add…
Census1881 British Census
Citation details: provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of this entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
DeathGRO Index of Deaths
Text:

Bradfield RD, ref 2c 555 (age 86) (registered as Susan Butler)

SourceRobin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07
Publication: Updated gedcom file provided by Robin Lovelock 24 Aug 2007. Includes contributions from Graham Lovelock
SourceOriginating email discussion
SourceGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
SourceRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Note: See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 and 15/7.
Birth

RL 19/6/07: Combination of age stated in marriage entry and several census entries suggest 1841 most likely year of birth. See also general note.

Birth

See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 and 15/7.

Census

North Waltham, Hampshire, England HO107 386/25 F5 P5

George Phillis;25;Shoe Maker;Hampshire Clara Phillis;27;;Hampshire [un-named female]{**} Phillis;1;;Hampshire Amelia Phillis;18;Farm Servant;Hampshire

{**} Believed to be Susan (see general note)

Marriage

RL 20/6/07: Graham and I had an exchange 1/4 Feb 2007 concerning the marriage and family of Walter L b 1867/8 Stockbridge (John T and Susan's second child). In the course of this I identified additional birth details for Walter and his 3 known siblings [we previously only had GRO entries (which I confirmed) for George J and William Edward; i.e. no GRO refs for Walter or Kate]. See notes to Walter's birth for further info.

Marriage

RL: Also on FreeBMD. A pretty swift registration, given the holiday period(!)

Census

Southampton Road, Romsey (Romsey Extra), Hampshire, England RG10 1202 F40 P8

John T Lovelock;Head;M;26;Police Constable;Hants, Winchester Susan S Lovelock;Wife;M;29;;Hants, Waltham [sic] George Lovelock;Son;;5;;Hants, Mitcheldever Walter Lovelock;Son;3;;Hants, Stockbridge William E Lovelock;Son;;4m;;Hants, Barton Stacey

Note that John T Lovelock was also enumerated in the 1871 census with his parents; in the entry above he is with his wife and family.

Census

RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.

Marriage

RL: Found Sarah L, with a fuzzy second name (which could well be 'Susan') and what looks like an additional initial, probably 'I' [for ice cream] Winchester 1Q 1876 2c 135. Tried FreeBMD for Sarah Lovelock for that quarter: Butler, William: Winchester 2c 135 Lovelock, Sarah Susan I: Winchester 2c 135 ['I' as in "I am Sarah Susan Lovelock"] The equivalent entry for William B was then found on BMDIndex (different page of course).

Census

Annel Lane, Micheldever, Hampshire, England RG11 1229 F43 P29

William Butler;Head;M;45;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever Susan Butler;Wife;M;40;;Hants, N Waltham George Lovelock;Son;U;15;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever Walter Lovelock;Son;;13;Farm Labr;Hants, Stockbridge William Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Hants, Barton Stacey Kate Lovelock;Daur;;7;Scholar;Hants, Romsey Rose Butler;Daur;;3;Scholar;Hants, Micheldever Elizabeth Butler;Daur;6m;;Hants, Micheldever

Census

RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of this entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.

Census

RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.

Census

36 Northbrook, Micheldever, Hampshire, England RG13 1080 F27 P26

William Butler;Head;64;Carter on .....?;Micheldever, Hants Susan Butler;Wife;61;;Micheldever, Hants Rose Avery;Daur;24;;Micheldever, Hants Frederick Avery;Son in law;24;Chalk Digger;Micheldever, Hants Willie Avery;Grand son;3;;Micheldever, Hants Albert Avery;Grand son;5mos;;Micheldever, Hants

Census

Northbrook, Micheldever, Hampshire, England RG14 PN6105 RG78 PN282 RD103 SD1 ED2 SN101

William Butler;Head;74;Old age pensioner retired horseman on farm;Micheldever, Hants Susan Butler;Wife, married 20 years (sic);70;Paralyzed 20 years;North Waltham, Hants Arthur Butler;Son;27;Farm Labourer;Micheldever, Hants

Shared note

RL 19/6/07: There is some uncertainty as regards (the orde r of) her given names. GRO data for her second marriage supports 'Sarah Susan' [and possibly a third name beginning with I]. She was indeed shown thus in the original HTML version of the tree, although I'm not sure details of that second marriage had been captured (or 'shared') at that point - of course in a key sense it did not involve a Lovelock! The 1881 Annel Lane entry <i>was</i> cited along with the tree, but she appears there as 'plain' Susan (Butler). She was 'Susan' in both PR and GRO marriage entries in 1865, 'Susan S' in the 1871, and I eventually (see below) identified her as an unnamed female Phillis in 1841.

Graham 3/7/<u>06</u>: "...... dip[ped] into Ancestry to look up Susan or Sarah Phillis to see if there might be something, anything, to help. It led me a merry dance, refusing to turn up a Susan, or Sarah, of the right age in 1851 or 1861, and no [father] George in 1851 either. George the shoemaker with wife and 3 children was certainly in Micheldever in 1861, but goodness knows where our girl was."

I located the GRO ref for the marriage to John T L via BMDIndex [RL - see email 14/7/06], having previously captured the PR record at HRO. Calculating that from her age as in the latter (24) she'd have been born between 26 Dec 1840 and 25 Dec 1841 and thence at most a few months old at the 1841 census, I looked for a relevant entry. I also searched FreeBMD and BMDIndex for a birth record, but could find no registered birth of a Susan or Sarah Phillis in Hants (or elsewhere) between 1837 and 1846. However, I had found a possible 1841 entry, which came to look highly plausible once a key transcription/interpretation error [S&N] had been corrected (see my email 14/7/06 13:31 item 5 for more details of this and my other explorations), especially alongside an additional 1881 entry (for Susan's parents) in Annel Lane Micheldever and Graham's similarly positive findings (re. them) in 1861. There is a minor problem around Susan's mother's given name as recorded in 1841 (Clara)<i> vis-à-vis</i> the 1861, 1881 and 1891 census entries and the GRO registration of her death (all Eliza); the image of the 1841 is quite clear/no transcription error. Also Sarah [if 'tis she] is stated in 1841 as aged 1 [year] in the 1841. We can't find George and Eliza in 1871.

Source

See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 and 15/7.