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Martha HardingAge: 47 years18131860

Name
Martha Harding
Given names
Martha
Surname
Harding
Birth between 1813 and 1814
Note: Martha may be the daughter of Mark and Philadelphia Harding who was baptised at North Baddesley, Hampshire on 24 October 1813.
MarriageGeorge LovelockView this family
yes

Citation details: email message 13-Feb-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Further extended discussion and searching for additional data on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth entries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 16-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of the children, especially Sarah and Henry.
Birth of a daughter
#1
Leah Mary Lovelock
between October 1844 and December 1844 (Age 31 years)
Text:

St Luke, Chelsea RD, ref 3 29

Birth of a son
#2
George Henry Lovelock
26 September 1847 (Age 34 years)
Note: RL 4/7/07: Uncertainty over place of birth - see general note.
Text:

Kensington RD, ref 3 291 (registered in Oct-Dec quarter)

Christening of a sonGeorge Henry Lovelock
24 October 1847 (Age 34 years)
Birth of a son
#3
William Thomas Lovelock
14 April 1850 (Age 37 years)
Citation details: Birth in 2Q 1850 in Westminster RD, ref 1 460
Text:

Lovelock, William Thomas

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL: There's also a William Thomas L birth in Shoreditch RD in 4Q 1851, ref 2 400; this seems much less likely to be our boy, given the census entries we have, except that the age fits better with the stated age of "2 mths" which certainly appears from the image to be what's written - possibly "ten months" mis-heard?
Shared note: RL 16/7/07: Place and date of birth initially from the 1861 census. See comment to GRO birth data ref. stated age "2 months" [?] in 1851.
CensusGeorge LovelockView this family
1851 (Age 38 years)

Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Citation details: email message 14-Jul-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Barracks (2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards), St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
Birth of a son
#4
Edwin Charles Lovelock
15 November 1853 (Age 40 years)
Citation details: Birth in 4Q 1853 in Westminster RD, ref 1a 261
Text:

Lovelock, Edwin Charles

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL: There's an Edwin L birth in St Pancras RD in 3Q 1853, ref 1b 16, but that seems much less likely to be our boy, given the census entries we have.
Christening of a sonEdwin Charles Lovelock
18 December 1853 (Age 40 years)
Birth of a daughter
#5
Amelia Martha Lovelock
11 November 1857 (Age 44 years)

Text:

Westminster RD, ref 1a 288

Death of a daughterAmelia Martha Lovelock
March 1858 (Age 45 years)

Text:

Westminster RD, ref 1a 241 (age 4 months)

Christening of a daughterAmelia Martha Lovelock
18 March 1858 (Age 45 years)
Burial of a daughterAmelia Martha Lovelock
26 March 1858 (Age 45 years)
_PPEXCLUDE

Death between January 1860 and March 1860 (Age 47 years)

Text:

Kensington RD, ref 1a 80 (age 46)

Christening of a sonWilliam Thomas Lovelock
12 May 1860 (4 months after death)
Family with George Lovelock - View this family
husband
herself
Marriage:
daughter
Leah Mary Lovelock
Birth: between October 1844 and December 1844 35 31Kensington, Middlesex, England
Death: between July 1874 and September 1874
3 years
son
3 years
son
4 years
son
4 years
daughter

BirthGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
Birth1851 British Census
MarriageRobin Lovelock (email exchanges)
Citation details: email message 13-Feb-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
MarriageRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Note: Further extended discussion and searching for additional data on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth entries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 16-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of the children, especially Sarah and Henry.
Census1851 British Census
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
CensusRobin Lovelock (email exchanges)
Citation details: email message 14-Jul-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
DeathGRO Online Indices of Births and Deaths
Text:

Kensington RD, ref 1a 80 (age 46)

SourceRobin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07
Publication: Updated gedcom file provided by Robin Lovelock 24 Aug 2007. Includes contributions from Graham Lovelock
SourceOriginating email discussion
SourceRobin Lovelock (email exchanges)
Citation details: email message 13-Feb-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
SourceGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
Birth

Martha may be the daughter of Mark and Philadelphia Harding who was baptised at North Baddesley, Hampshire on 24 October 1813.

Marriage

From RL email 2/7/06: A St George Hanover Square marriage 2Q 1843 could possibly be that of this George L, except no Martha appears (see General Note). However, there is a Mary, a Mary Sophia and a Matilda; also all other George L marriages on FreeBMD 1837/50 (several of them known to us) similarly lack a record of a Martha. There is also another St George Hanover Square marriage with a George L, 1Q 1846, 1 50; again no Martha, but a Charlotte Maria, a Charlotte Mary and a Mary Jane!

Marriage

Further extended discussion and searching for additional data on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth entries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 16-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of the children, especially Sarah and Henry.

Census

Barracks (2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards), St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England HO107 1674 F100 P19

Includes: George Lovelock;Private Soldier, Head of Family;M;41;Laborer [sic];Hampshire [sic] Martha Lovelock;Wife;M;36;;Hampshire, Eadelesly [sic] {**} Sarah Lovelock;Daughter;;6;;Middlesex, Kensington Henry Lovelock;Son;;3;;Middlesex, Westminster Thomas Lovelock;Son;;2m[?];Middlesex, Westminster

{**} Presumably Eastleigh was stated

Census

RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.

Shared note

Martha was present in the 1851 census record, but not in 1861, for which husband George was recorded as 'widower', so Martha presumably died between 1851 and 1861. Possible GRO records (provided by Robin Lovelock) include:

Maria L 3Q 1851 Winchester 7 189 Martha Jane L 3Q 1856 Amesbury 5a 91 Mary L 4Q 1857 Winchester 2c 57 Maria L 1Q 1860 Hungerford 2c 170 Martha L 1Q 1860 Kensington 1a 80 Martha L 1Q 1860 Winchester 2c 65 Martha L 3Q 1861 Hartley Wintney 9c 89

RL 9/3/07: Above is James's note, following my 'nudge' on the point. In the original discussion with Graham, when I spotted the double use of the death reg'n, Graham (14/11/06) said: "What to do about Martha who died in 1860? I think I must plead guilty to entering her twice, but the question now is, as you say, which one is she? Well, George the putative son of Thomas and Olive was recorded in 1861 as a widower, and the image is exceptionally clear and unambiguous. UNFORTUNATELY the image with Thomas on is equally clear, and he too is a widower. Recourse, then, to the 1851? No use, of course, as both Marthas were alive. So we wait for Free BMD to catch up, and then we'll have both references, but the only way to resolve the issue would be for one or other, or indeed both, PRs to have recorded the age. Which PRs? Search me!"

Of my (RL's) list (above) the Kensington and Hartley Wintney records seem the most likely, but the Winchester death in 1860 could well be that of Martha b 1775/6, the wife of Thomas L bap Compton 10 Aug 1788 (Compton tree). I mused that given the births of several of her children in Middlesex (1844/53), and that the family was in a barracks in Winchester in 1851, it's conceivable that Martha died in Kensington. However, Graham found 8 Martha's in the London area in 1851 who would need to be accounted for.